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"February 2014: Michael Horn decries False Information on NMSR Site"
Topics... ???? 9-11 Bible Code Chemtrails Creation/Evolution Onyate Man UFO's
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:36:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Walter <email@example.com>
Subject: NMSR Home Page
To: "Dave Thomas, NMSR" <nmsrdaveATswcp.com>
You must really dislike Dennis Lee. It is sad that you and your friends who have created http://www.nmsr.org/ are so ignorant of the fact and proofs (evidence). My only hope is that you will be open minded and understand that, that which you SAY is Impossible through the laws of physics are SIMPLY and logically possible. It is because of individuals as yourself and those involved in this HATE toward Dennis Lee and those whom have come before him (Telsa), that will have the world in darkness of knowledge and understanding....or is it that that is your whole intention.
Your efforts to destroy these fine individuals lives and reputation, may succeed, but I assure you that in the end it will be those oppressors who will suffer from a lack of knowledge, better said of "ignorance and vanity". I hope you and your supporters well and that your minds can open up to that which is true and virtuous. Good day and good summer. May you and your colleges [sic] continue to learn.
a good friend of Mr. Telsa and Mr. Lee.
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:33:53 -0800
From: Ima Loser <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: i dont understand your kind.
PLEASE STOP THIS FOOLISH NON-SENSE, YOU MAKE FUN OF MY RELIGION ON YOUR SITE, YOU DONT EVEN BELIEVE IN ANYTHING SO WHY MAKE FUN OF IT? QUIT NOW. I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I DONT LIKE THIS NONSENSE. I THINK YOU ARE THE IDIOT MR THOMAS. GO BACK TO WENDY'S.
From: email@example.com (Mike Doe)
Subject: Time Travelers PLEASE HELP !
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:07:12 +0100
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Mike Doe (firstname.lastname@example.org) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 04:07:12
message: If you are a time traveler or alien disguised as human and or have the technology to travel physically through time I need your help!
My life has been severely tampered with and cursed!!
I have suffered tremendously and am now dying!
I need to be able to:
Travel back in time.
Rewind my life including my age.
Be able to remember what I know now so that I can prevent my life from being tampered with again after I go back.
I am in very great danger and need this immediately!
I am aware that there are many types of time travel and that humans do not do well through certain types.
I need as close to temporal reversion as possible, as safely as possible.
To be able to rewind the hands of time in such a way that the universe of now will cease to exist.
I know that there are some very powerful people out there with alien or government equipment capable of doing just that.
If you can help me I will pay for your teleport or trip down here, Along with hotel stay, food and all expenses. I will pay top dollar for the equipment. Proof must be provided.
Only if you have this technology and can help me please send me a (SEPARATE) email to:
Subject: the law of the universe,law of creation = logic
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:38:03 -0500
Are you interested in what creates this universe?what's the law of creation? Einstein and others believe there must be a universal law of creation, some physicists believe the string thery is a near answer to it, others are still looking for it, I believe after discoverying the right law of logic that logic is the creator, maker.
EVERYTHING , THE UNIVERSE ,INFINITY , EXISTENCE , NONEXISTENCE , ARE CREATED , MADE, PROVEN BY THE LAW , THE FORMULA , THE WAY OF CREATION =THE CREATOR = LOGIC
TELL ME WHERE U GET STUCK
I AM TALKING THAT I BELIEVE I DISCOVERED THE RIGHT LAW ,THE RIGHT DEFINITION, FORMULA OF LOGIC WHICH I CAME TO DISCOVER IS THE LAW WHICH UNITES ALL LAWS OF PHYSICS=THE LAW OF CREATION,THE CREATOR OF EXISTENCE, NONEXISTENCE BUT IF YOU'RE MOT INTERESTED , GOOD ON YOU.
here I explain how i got to this conclusion http://theory-of-everything.com
Einstein, StephenWHawking, Spinoza, Newton, Galileo...and others believe and believed logic as the formula of finding truth and false, validity but I discovered it was the wrong definition of logic, the right definition and formula of logic is the MAKER,CREATOR or everything, the law of LOGIC makes, creates, proves all other laws of physics, nature, universe.
if anyone understands my discovery I'm here to help.
Subject: re: your survival of a 9/11 debate
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:49:32 +0700
To: (Dave Thomas, NMSR)
I was recently introduced to your post as an example of someone with a brain who actually believes the 'official story'.
To be clear... do you believe the 'official story'? (A bit of a loaded question, perhaps, but a fair one, I believe.)
"I accept the overwhelming evidence that the towers and pentagon were attacked by Muslim terrorists using hijacked planes."
"I sense a 'hedge'. Is my perception accurate? In other words, why not a simple, 'yes'?..."
"And if I may rephrase: You believe that 19 desert-trained cave-dweller muslims circumvented the most advanced and reinforced national security system in human history... and using nothing but box cutters, successfully executed a coordinated series of precision attacks..."
"I don't think it was the 'desert-trained cave-dweller Muslims' who successfully carried out the attacks, I think it was the US/Europe-trained city-dwelling muslims who attended universities (i.e. Harburg Technical University in Hamburg), flight training classes (at Huffman Aviation School in Venice, Florida), etc. who pulled it off. THOSE Muslims - not the guys in caves."
From: "Giel Du Toit" <Giel@SERVER.co.za>
Subject: csicop article
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:16:50 +0200
Your article at: www.csicop.org/si/9803/bible-code.html
I have read your article about Bible-Code Developments and although it is good to nail Drosnin for his mistakes , but you have to be more fair.
I can just as easily nail your theory down to nothing. In fact someone with a lower IQ than me and you will easily see why you do not know much about these bible codes.
Did you notice they found the names of about 300 Rabbis after Christ!. Well I dare you to find just 250 of those exact grouping of 300 Rabbi- names in 1000 000 000 texts of your choice! (remember each Rabbi must have a town close to his name!!!)
250 is fair enough as you have an almost infinite number of texts (1000 000 000). Just remember you have to find all 250 name/town pairs together in one of those texts.
This is where your reasoning go horribly wrong. In fact I will be willing to put a million dollars up if you could just find 0.5 of those which the Drosnin et al crowd found in one single text.
You see , it is easy to criticize clever people on what they discovered, but it is extremely difficult for someone like you to do something originally yourself.
Ok just find me 50 rabbi name/towns and I will consider you the hero and them the liars.
It is also easy for me to criticize you (and I am not even a doctor) . Just remember the general public like myself is not stupid like you thought in your article, We know the immensity of 300 grouped names is a chance in a trillion trillion trillion and that is why we know what is wrong and what not! (please calculate the odds for us?)
I think in any way is too difficult just to calculate the odds! In any way
I bet you also you will not publicize my email on your website!
No hard feelings from me, I just thought you are a bit unfair and that is the reason for my attacking-letter.
By the way is it possible for me to test your program out? Just want to see for myself to verify what you say. (I verified Drosnins stuff with Codebreker)
Giel du toit (a technician)
My Reply to Giel, as yet UNANSWERED:
I am very, very interested in your proposal, "In fact I will be willing to put a million dollars up if you could just find 0.5 of those which the Drosnin et al crowd found in one single text."
Exactly how many Rabbi/town pairs are we talking about for your $1,000,000 prize?
Please provide details. Also, I would like confirmation that you can indeed pay this amount before I begin cranking out the calculations. I estimate it will only take a few weeks to get the required results, which would be a very good investment of my time, IF you're sincere about your proposal.
With best personal regards,
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vanessa R. <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: codes
To: Dave Thomas <nmsrdaveATswcp.com>
what is up with new Mexicans for science ect? The majority believe in God. You don't appear to be Mexican, according to your last name.
Ha... Let me restate what I've said many times.
1) The number of prohecies that came true found in the Bible are a lot more than any book.
2) Each prophecy has not just one very specific piece of info, but many. Some even have dates, unlike your examples.
3) Your "prophecies are fairly recent" and in reach of people going behind the scenes and making it happen. None are as old as the Bible's prophecies.
4) there is a satan out there, that hates God because he is envious of His Glory. Anyway, the codes are evil is not specific at all. It needs to say the Bible Codes.
5) All these codes support the existence of a supernatural being. You do not know all, neither does satan. No one knows what others are thinking exactly and what they will do or who they will marry. They are not the creator. GOD IS the TRUE CREATOR. Like it or not.
- I'm going to be on vacation for a while, and I am not sure if I will have the chance to email you for a while.
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:38:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Blanche xxxx <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: A Unified Objective/ THE CODE
TELL OPRAH IT IS IN HER GENES..................
What Mr. McKay's findings imply to me is that the code is encoded in the Torah, but has nothing to do with the Hebrew letters. Your findings indicate it is the English language that will decode what has been transcribed throughout the ages.
Perhaps man in his evolution created the code using the genetic alphabet. I believe we will find man is the encoder. The frame shift mutation may have been caused by just one genetic error, at which time of the first genetic experiments. A non-coding intron shifted one letter of a base pair and it may be the computer that can correct the spelling error. DNA, the human genome will become the interface to link man and machine.
Leaps in our technology seem to indicate that to build this interface a new elucidation of the atom will be required, as to breach the current energy matter construct. We mustn't open the nuclear envelope, rather an impact from the inside out at the atomic level, thereby instilling a molecular restructuring of a symmetric conformation and cellular recalibration........bringing about a homeostatic environment within the biological framework of man.
In the genetic disorder Sickle Celled Anemia (CAT) and its retro inversion Beta Thalassemia (GTA) there is a descending intron where the T, Thymine replaces the G for guanine. Since they are both blood disorders one might look at the CTT gene or beta globin gene for normal hemoglobin as the cause. Here, the hemoglobin has become a proton donor, inverting and substituting one letter of the code.
The aforementioned you will find encoded in the Bible and other English texts using your version. But, in the Bible where it speaks of the blood, and the generations of man I have found it. This deletion of one letter in the genetic alphabet is the enmity that God placed between woman and man. Another area where it is mentioned is where Moses parted the Red Sea and in his plagues.
Man throughout time has sought an answer for his relentless suffering. He has attempted to piece together his history gathering all the artifact in the rubble of time hoping perchance to glimpse the garden or his place of origin to return from whence he came. What he failed to realize was that it has been inside him all along.
The beginning, Genesis, mankind's primal scream........has reverberated through time echoing the millennium awaiting the moment of which we are now confront to arise. The program has a start and an end and our DNA is on the last rung of its ladder.......the moment in time has come to create the interface and correct our error as in time would be allowed.
One does not need a computer to decipher the code. The encoder is man and the microchip his molecular DNA where all memory of time and space are stored. The complexity of the English language will breach the barriers referred to as the "Tower of Babel", for therein lies the decoding.
We are on the precipice of a revolution in science that will isolate and cure the cause for all disease. Humanity's goal is to unify his thoughts and in this a unified objective he shall gain where truth can bring resolve to the negative behaviors now manifest.
IS IT FOR THE ONE TO REACH OUT AMONGST THE CROWD,SPEAKING ONLY FOR HIMSELF? OR SHALL THE MANY RISE AND SPEAK FOR THIS ONE? AND SHOULD THIS ONE SUFFER INDIFFERENCE OF THE WHOLE AND FIND BANISHMENT, THEN IT IS NOT THE ONE TO LOSE, BUT THE MANY. UNIFICATION WILL .BRING ABOUT TRUTH AND ITS RESOLVE, SO THAT THIS ONE MIGHT GAIN FOR ALL.
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Blanche xxxx <email@example.com>
Subject: DROSNIN'S POINT
Mr. Drosnin is not unlike any other man who seeks to make some sense out of life. What better way then through an analysis of everything written, or in this instance ' the greatest book ever written'. Newton and Einstein also knew the Torah was encoded. Perhaps, they reallized there was no need to investigate later texts, since it was the oldest book we have.
Give the man some credit! At least for his ability to speak out not fearing ridicule. He truly believes in what he is doing and what he has found. I believe in him, just as I can believe in what McKay has found. Both are true. So why belittle his work? Why not praise him?
Obviously he is doing this for the benefit of every man. His objective is for the betterment of all, a goal we should also put some effort towards.
What he is finding is profound. I am in awe of his ability to bring out some of the truths we have long suspected. Do not be surprised if he locates the obelisk and the craft he mentioned was encoded in the text.
What if that craft has a computer on board that is not programmed to shut down..........what if it contains the interface to link our DNA to the central nervous system and brain with machine? What if our lives are just an illusion created by the memory contained in the on board computer projecting holographic images of the whole truth and nothing but.........?
Don't tell me you don't want the truth. It is out there.
The only word I find distain for in the whole of his book is "alien". Well, perhaps it is alien or strange to us. But the problem is 'they' or the aliens are us! Our memory has failed to grasp this truth due to the frame shift mutation into time and the confusion which stems from a past, present and future. For truly therein the illusion doest lie.
Work with Mr. Drosnin, not against him and you will find the answers you seek. By your giving, then he can gain resolve. To give is to receive.
He made his point, just as you have. And that point is to gain for one and all.
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003
From: light <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Bible Code
Mr. David E. Thomas,
I find it fascinating to read one human's possible discovery and another's skeptical of it. In sharing my thoughts with you, I'll appreciate if you can create the time to share your views. I'll admit that I am not looking at the Bible Code from a belief point of view but from the possibility that all human being are constantly tapping into all frequencies of realities and see if they can adapt it in our three dimensional world, yeas I am sure that you are aware that anything created by man after we remove it's mankind agreement one can in all cases create skepticism. What if in all men languages there's a hidden code and that is why you can find almost anything in any book written, but only in the original books of the Bible if ever found and untouched by mankind's destructive interference could help this dying world have a chance at survival.
My apology if I am speaking mostly in general terms to elaborate in detail would only skepticism.
From: "Dorchester" <email@example.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:07:24 -0600
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:33:56
Hola Mr. Thomas,
I was watching the brain box a few minutes ago and heard something about the "Bible Code". I punched in a search on the net to find out a little bit more info on the whole thing, when I came across your article. I enjoyed the facts, as you put them in logical order with excellent figures to back up your claims. Its so refreshing to find intelligent information so easily and cheaply. Thanks for your insight and the willingness to share your thoughts with the world.
"Write or wrong its the shove to thought that makes the argument worth it!"
From: "music11" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Bible Code
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:28:32 -0400
I have strange dreams that come true. I can't allways desifer them or change the events that I dream about are you familiar with this fenomenon? Does the Bible code Explain Dreams?
From: "Dr. H" <email@example.com>
To: <firstname.lastname@example.org (Dave Thomas, NMSR)>
Subject: the "bible codes"
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:56:11 -0600
I am a physics/mathematics scientist living in New Mexico. For the past 5 years I have been investigating the "bible codes". Like you and others, I found "codes" in many different books. Of course, I also found the codes in the Torah. Scientifically, and mathematically, I find the "codes" in any book to be quite common without the relative proofs that are demanded as a critical mathematician. On the other hand, I found the "codes" in the Torah to have endless proofs and at a depth that is amazing. I am now convinced that an intelligence far beyond the human mind has arranged these coded messages in the Torah. So far, I have calculated that the messages found so far(thousands) in the Torah are interconnected and interrelated in a matrix level that mathematically appears to have no end. In my opinion, the probability of this as some random or "chaotic" theory pattern is impossible, as to the current capability of the human mind and ability to construct such a matrix of such clear concise messages. On further investigation, I found that the father of calculus, Sir Newton, studied the "codes" in the Torah through the last seven years of his life. Why? I can only surmise that it was of the greatest importance to devote this amount of time to a "throw of the dice". And as I am reminded by Dr. Einstien, "God does not play dice". I have come to the final conclusion that the God Dr. Einstien reffers to is indeed real and the Torah messages are truly proof of that reality. I'm sorry that I can not support your negative views on these messages found in the Torah. You will most likely not publish this letter with the others on your site as you appear to be biased. Just as one scientist to another, I implore you to study them further and find the truth. "The truth remains to be the truth, no matter what you wish it to be" - Einstien
If you choose to search further into the truth, read a book by mathematician Yacov Rambsel called, "the Genesis Factor". It can be bought very inexpensively from http://tbn.safeshopper.com/7/83.htm?527 If you keep an open mind when you read this book, you will find the truth. Yacov also has his own site at: http://www.yacovrambsel.com
Editor's Comment: I find it most curious that a person claiming to have a doctorate in physics doesn't even know how to spell Einstein. It's clearly not a simple typographical error, as it occurs in all three mentions of Einstein's name in the letter. Curious, indeed! Objection? "Goes to credibility of the witness, Your Honor." Objection over-ruled.
From: "Nardia xxxx"
Subject: WHAT IF THEY ARE TRUE !
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001
I read with interest your sceptisism on Els's I no longer call them bible codes as they are popping up in my high school love letters; interestingly enough with the names of my boyfriend his sister and my bestfriend all crossing over each other in the first paragraph. How do you explain this? You have explained the process for finding skips in various and random texts but all you have really shown is that codes are not limited to the bible;you don't explain the significance of their existance.
I have always found this frustrating in science; you can explain to me processes in nature but you can't explain who created what your talking about where you came from or what is going to happen to you in the future. With the Els's in certain texts of the bible they refer not only to the past but to the future For example will you be convinced if a nuclear devise explodes in Jerusalem in the year 2006? Will you say "yes the code showed that"? Surely that must be accounted for in your "scientific control tests": whether the codes in the Bible do start to come true or not. How do you feel the current holy war and suicide bombings in Israel are shaping up? Is it possible for The Palestinians to procure nuclear weapons from the Russians? Would they hesitate in trying to illimanate as many Jews in one go as they could?
Think about it .
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:37:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: IIshann <azereth_9@XXXXX.com>
Subject: bible code
You Idiot, how stupid can you really be, and how stupid do you think i am!?, if your information is correct then why dont you take the founder's, or i should take up on michael's and the other's request for every to take theyre challenge, on finding the hidden messages in secular work's?
You wrote, figure 1, genesis 31:28 and hast not suffered, Idiot you forgot a whole lot of letter's, dumxxx, you started at random, instead of starting at the beginning like should of! a-n-d-(h) a-s-t-(n), no sense there!,
Anyway the hebrew Language has no commas, periods, question mark's etc, but the english language does, in other words in english you would have to count the spaces between letter's and count the comma's and period's, goes to show you arent that intelligent!
Fall postrate to Almighty Lord Saboath, You will anyway, sooner or later, all of us will bow our worhless rotten carcass's to Almighty Jesus!
Priest of the Order of the Amethyst Dawn
"Crush the star underfoot,tear the Robe on which it lies" IIshann, Priest of the coven of the Unblack Right Hand path, in the order of melchizedeck..1 ptr 2:9
[Note from Dave Thomas: I did not invent the Bible Code, nor its arcane rules, which permit hidden messages to start at any letter, not just the first letter of words, and which also require the omission of all punctuation. I'd say Priest Iishan knows the Bible Code about as well as he knows Grammar and Spelling!]
Subject: Disingenuous Skepticism
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:53:12 -0500
Though I agree it is obvious that you can produce any resulting name or result with just the 26 letters of the alphabet. Just permute them properly. Rips did not just find a name or a word, but a string of related words or facts were found at equidistant intervals. This is much more profound than a name or number. As a code developer for Modems and encryption,one encodes and decodes with enough encryption to suppress casual cracking efforts. When a meaningful phrase or grouping of information is present in a simple encoding it is true evidence of a purposeful code otherwise you get random meaningless random words. Not time, places, names and descriptions of future events.
Your efforts at debunking just show your poor understanding of what is accomplished or you have another agenda of making truly fascinating results, meaningless because of jealousy, narrowmindedness or bigotry. It is like the debunkers from NASA on the FACE on Mars, they go into detail about the face but ingnore the pyramidal structure and other artificial looking structures just a few kilometers from the FACE structure. Focus on all the facts not just one minor area.
You would rather concentrate your efforts on trashing others than doing meaningful and interesting work yourselves. Pitiful use of your talents, I must say or maybe you feel that you have no talent so no one else does either.
Get your results published in respected journals and maybe there will be something to talk about.
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000
Subject: SORRY OLD CHAP, GOD DOES EXSISTS! PROOF.
I BET YOU ARE A SUPPORTER IN DARWINISM OR COPERNICISIM, RIGHT? ANYWAYS, THE BIBLE CODE DOES HAVE EASY TO FIND MESSAGES THAT PROBABLY HOLD NO SIGNIFIGANCE, BUT ALL OF THE MAIN ONES SUCH AS MOST OF THE WWII MESSAGES, THE GULF WAR RELATED ONES, THE ONES CONTAINING ARAFAT SHAKING HANDS WITH ISRAEL PRIME MINISTER, AND THE FRENCH REVOLUTION MESSAGES ALL HAVE VERY SIGNIFIGANT LAYOUTS IN THEIR PASSAGES. FOR EXAMPLE, ABOUT 2/3 OF THE MESSAGES FORM A PERFECT CROSS EACH ONE EXACTLY IDENTICAL TO THE OTHER. THEY GO PERFECTLY DOWN THE MIDDLE STOP JUST BEFORE THE END OF THE PAGE, ALL EXACTLY ALIKE. AND ALL THE OTHERS FORM OTHER ASTONISHINGLY PERFECT FIGURES SUCH AS X'S, TRIANGLES, AND EVEN CICLES! DON'T BELIEVE ME? THEN TRY IT FOR YOURSELF, THIS TIME LOOK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. AND HEY, I HAVE AN IDEA HOW ABOUT IN THE CORRECT PLACES, AND THIS TIME DO IT FOR YOURSELF AND DON'T RELY ON WHAT YOU THINK IS STATISTICLY ACCURATE WITHOUT DOING IT PERSONALLY. AND YOU DID NOT MENTION THE YESHUA CODES. THESE MY FRIEND, ARE VERY CONVINCING. YOU SEE, THE WORD YESHEUA IS THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, THATS HOW IT'S PRONOUNCED IN HEBREW I BELIEVE. AND GET THIS IT APPEARES HUNDREDS' OF TIMES ALL THROUHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT. AND MOST OF THE TIME OVER 60% OF THE TIME, ARE ALL RELATED TO WHAT THE PASSAGE IT IS FOUND IN ARE SPEAKING ABOUT. EVEN ANSWERING QUESTIONS THE SENTENCES ARE ASKING, EITHER BY JUST THE WORD OR A COMPLETELY SPELLED OUT PHRASE. THE CHANCES OF THE FIGURES APPEARING RANDOMLY ARE 1 IN 2.43 MILLION. AND THE YESHUA CODES CHANCES OF APPEARING RANDOMLY ARE 1 IN 3 BILLION!! SO, I WONT WASTE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME I JUST WANT SAY, IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD PLEASE DONT BE CLOSE MINDED ABOUT IT I BEG YOU LOOK IN TO.
STAND STILL AND LOOK, YOU WILL FING HIM. SOMETHING ELSE I WOULD RECOMEND WOULD BE THE ANTHROPODIC THEORY OF THE UNIVERSE, IT IS THE LATEST SCIENTIFIC BELIEF THAT IS AMAZINGLY TRUE AND UNDENIABLE. SO PLEASE FIND THE LORD, DONT GO AWAY FROM THE EARTH ONLY TO GO TO HELL. JUST AT LEAST LOOK IN TO IT. THIS MAY SOUND STRANGE BUT I WILL PRAY FOR YOU TO FIND THE LORD, HE LOVES YOU AND WANTS TO GIVE YOU ETERNAL LIFE, ITS YOUR CHOICE.
SOME ONE WHO CARES ABOUT YOU
( YOU DONT KNOW ME THOUGH)
02 Aug 2000
Subject: The Bible Code
I just finished reading your article Hidden Messages and The Bible Code at http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html. I have been blindly believing that book. Not having the time or will to check the validity of it, I believed. When the book first came out, I read it. At the time I was skeptical and did a search on Yahoo. All my results turned up support of the book, which now starts the question on the validity of those web pages. That scares me, the stunt of misinformation with good planning. I enjoyed your article and am now a little more sober.
10 Sep 2000
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
PLEASE, OH PLEASE!
THERE IS NO HIDDEN CODE TO THE WORD OF GOD. IT IS MADE SO SIMPLE, THAT A CHILD OF 10 CAN UNDERSTAND IT. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU EVEN THINK FOR A MINUTE THERE IS A HIDDEN CODE FROM GOD? IT IS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE WHAT HE HAS LAID DOWN FOR US. I DO NOT PRETEND FOR A MINUTE TO KNOW GOD'S MIND, BUT I BELIEVE HE WOULD NOT APPROVE OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SPREAD TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE. MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU.
Subject: Letters to NMSR
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:10:33 -0700
Thread-Topic: Letters to NMSR
From: "Rochelle " <email@example.com>
Your site was forward to me by Barry Karr of CSICOP (of which I am a member). What a thoroughly enjoyable site and I LOVED the wacky letters section as well as the article on chem-trails. My older brother got roped into the whole idiocy of chem-trails last year and it left my husband and me wondering if we ought to considering signing commitment papers for him right away!
I have found that, generally, those individuals who have adopted the role of perpetual victim (i.e., everything that is wrong in their life can be blamed on others, the government, etc.) tend to fall for this sort of drivel on a regular basis. While I like to keep an open mind (albeit a slightly skeptical one), I try ever-so-gently to steer misguided folks to web sites like yours, and (my personal favorite) www.snopes.com to become a little more enlightened about the world around us. There is enough going on in our daily lives that we are unable to control, so I cannot understand why someone would willingly accept conjecture, speculation and outright lies as well. Sigh! I suppose if there weren t the normal compliment of nut jobs in the world, you and your colleagues would be out of a job, right?
Have a wonderful, clear-thinking day, and thanks again for a great web site!
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:42:47 -0600
From: billder <firstname.lastname@example.org>
what an ignorant drone you are, or israeli govt whore, or both...lazy in your mind and complacent in your misplaced loyalties...you are not an American...
YOUR LIFE AS A HUMAN TEST SUBJECT
By Bill Gallagher 051404
Chemtrails And Terror In The Age Of Nuclear War
By Amy Worthington
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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:41:20 -0700
From: Zieben LXXXX <zfigure7@XXXX.net>
To: "Dave Thomas, NMSR" <nmsrdaveATswcp.com>
Well, I think the Chemtrails are obsolutely breathable. We should pass the legislation for more sprayings. I think it is healthy to breath those Barium salt content, the military is only doing it's best to protect us by spraying more and more, we love the chemtrails!! The chemtrails decorate our sky like X-mas everyday!!! Thanx for your website! Please fight the good fight and take a long deep breath whenever you see long trails of chemtrails for me, hmmm, so goooood!!
From: "Andrew M" <email@example.com>
Subject: Cemtrails Prevent Nuclear Explosions
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:35:00 -0800
I have heard this recently and was wondering if you have heard anything about it? Apparently the chemtrails create an ionization of an entire area and this does one of two things; it charges nutrons into electrons and sucks them up into the upper atmosphere, thereby depriving a fission bomb of it's natural fuel source at the moment of detonation, or it polarizes fissionable material which then repels nutrons instead of attracting them.
Either of those two things would prevent the chain reaction required for an explosion.
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:36:21 -0700
From: "Andrew xxxx" <firstname.lastname@example.org
Your chemtrail site should play a great role in keeping the ignorant ignorant. Unfortuantely any waking person with any IQ at all would see right through your attempt at suppressing the truth. We are the articles debunking research of Len Horrwitz work. Or the Rockefeller owned patent on the jet-fuelwhich contains exactly what honest researchers are finding high levels of in rain water.
But wow you have EXPERTS giving their opinions. Wow lets all run and trust the experts. and ohh the brilliant cartoon of the military guys reluctantly spraying people. I mean geez the military would never conduct harmful projects on its own people. That would be wrong.
What about these brilliant testimonies from your USA today article. "If you try to pin these people down and refute things, it's, 'Well, you're just part of the conspiracy ... Logic is not exactly a real selling point for most of them.''
This is the most unsubstantiated pointless OPINION of one man. Why don;t you arrange a e-mail debate between this man you quoted and Len Horrowitz. - BECUASE YOU HAVE AN AGENDA
The only people you fool is the fools.
YOUR PRESIDENT IS A NATZI - his grandad funded HITLER HE MURDERD 3000 of your own people on SEPT 11 and if I'm wrong you can win $1000 by going to www.copvcia.com and disproving anyone of the facts that implicate your beloved government for the 1st degree murder of your brothers, mothers, sisters and fathers. BUT WE WOULD NEVER SPRAY OUR OWN PEOPLE WITH POISON. or is that exactly what YOU YOU YOU are doing?
Lots of Love Light and pity
From: "Norm de Plume"
To: <email@example.com (Dave Thomas, NMSR)>
Thanks for the Chemtrails site, I love it. I work for someone in government, who shall go unnamed. At our office we recieve phone calls from many looney conspirator types. We have the Black Helicopter Brigade, the Transmission through my dental work squad and now, the Chemtrail Company.
I've been looking for a site, mostly on my own time so I don't waste taxpayers' money, to refute the Nutball websites. Yours is very well done.
But I'd like to see an explanation of the problem with dispersing "chemicals" at high altitudes. Let me explain. I'm some what of a military history buff. I've studied warfare since I was a child using a wooden stick for a gun. In my studies the question of using biological and gas warfare always comes down to, "How do you control dispersement?" You don't want to spread an airborne virus and have it blow back into your own mess tent, so to speak.
So naturally, I've tried to consider the "what if?" question. If the "government" was spraying people from unidentifiable jet aircraft flying about 25,000 feet how would that effect someone below, especially the same day as they stood and watched the "chemtrails" above?
I have no proof, but my college educated mind has to think that if some substance was "sprayed" at 30,000 feet, where the wind could be blowing 100 mph, that by the time the chem. came down it would land in another time zone. Even if you dropped a 500lb. bomb from 30,000 feet flying at, let's say 250mph, the bomb would land miles from where it was released.
Let's not consider the fact of various atmospheric effects on wind born "sprays" such as jet streams at different altitudes.
Could some members of your organization explain the problem with crop dusting at 30,000 feet?
Again, thanks for your website. It will be making the rounds in the office.
Norm de Plume
From: "Peter S" <Peter.S@xxxxx.com>
To: <firstname.lastname@example.org (Dave Thomas, NMSR)>
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001
It's good to find one of the few 'chemtrail' sites on the internet that actually presents a rational response rather than the hyped up hysteria.
The worst offender for the 'chemtrail' madness is the Jeff Rense website. Day after day I see alleged 'chemtrail' photos there that any fool can see are just bog standard aircraft contrails. Yet.....when I write to Rense.com to try to get them to for once post a critical opinion, I get a response from their editor describing me as a poor misguided fool who wants to ignore the facts ! Indeed, I am accused of 'embarrasing' myself by not being in agreement with the so-called 'evidence' as presented on carnicom.com.
My response to rense.com was, why don't they publish my sceptical post and let me go right ahead and 'embarrass' myself !!
It seems to me the situation has become so insane now that any person can go out with a camera and photograph perfectly normal contrails, and instantly there's another ' Chemtrails over ( name of state )' story on rense.com. Hardly anyone here in the UK has even heard of chemtrails, which is not suprising as most people here have not been brainwashed into thinking that aircraft trails in the sky are anything other than.....aircraft trails in the sky.
Date: 28 Feb 2001
Subject: Re Chemtrails
I enjoyed your website on the Chemtrail paranoia. I am a private pilot, and many pilots have had a good laugh at the expense of the chemtrail conspiracy theorists on the pilot related newsgroups. I have seen many far-out conspiracy theories in my lifetime, and have to say that the Chemtrail conspiracy theory is one of the most entertaining. We live amongst masses of truly ignorant people, even in our supposedly enlightened age.
Keep up the good work, and keep having fun doing it. Parody and humor are often the most effective ways to educate people,and show them the errors of their thinking...
27 Jul 2000
On your site you quote some genius as saying that if the conditions are right, contrails can last for hours. You must think that everyone reading your crappy site will believe this "feel good" crap. At thirty five years old, a veteran and degreed, I think I have advanced myself and my personal knowledge base enough to know when the stuff I am seeing in the sky is different than the stuff I have been seeing all of my life. Almost everyone I know has had some sort of respiratory problem occur. My mom,dad, brother two people at our office all have contracted pneumonia in the last 6 months. It is summer. The "crud" goes around every winter, the wet months, we all know this. This summer I have seen trail after trail after trail, all day long on some days, but some amount every day. They all last for hours. They do not ever dissipate. They stay all day or all night. When you have watched one fan out into a thin haze over a 5 hour period, and then another and another and another, it is scary. As a kid I used to think how cool those trails were. I would stare at them until they disappeared. Always wishing they could last longer. I guess I got my wish.
From: "David N."
Subject: Intelligent Design is religious creationism
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:51:17 -0700
In response too:
Your article infuriates me!! So what if Illustra Media is also the same company that produces religious videos... does that mean the videos themselves are slanted? Disney does not just distribute family affairs, but has "other labels" to market its non-family friendly movies. By your analysis, this means that ALL Disney movies cannot be suitable for the family because they secretly have non-family movies marketed under a different Disney name.
Do you realize that the reason a seperate label would need to be created was because anything even remotely connected to a religious organization is immediately "thrown-out" as biased. Why is it that evolution proponents are given a free pass as to their "connections", but if ANYBODY talks about Intelligent Designed they are immediately investigated to see if they have any religious slant!
I'm so sick and tired, too, of people promoting the viewpoint that Evolution is science and Intelligent Design (Creation) is religious? Evolution has many scientific holes. Intelligent Design has many scientific FACTS. To believe in Evolution takes just as much FAITH (if not MORE) as Intelligent Design... because the science is NOT conclusive.
The videos put out by Illustra Media are doing a great job at pointing out fallacies in the Evolution Theory (it's called a THEORY for a reason), and showing that there are indeed legitimate scientific facts that point to Intelligent Design as a viable possibility.
So take off your blinders! Your "Smoking Gun" is shooting blanks!
Funny you should mention Disney. Of course, no Christian groups would ever boycott Disney because of "controversial" content in it or any subsidiaries.
No, that would be silly, wouldn't it?
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:50:50 -0400
I just wanted to take the time to say that you've done a wonderful job on your web page regarding "scientist" "Dr" Kent Hovind. As a Kent State University education major, I decided to see exactly what Hovind would say when I saw that he would be speaking at a presentation on April 6, 2006. I'm personally not a creationist and really was interested to see to what extent Hovind wants these ideas put into schools (he claims he doesn't... he claims that he wants evolution taken out).
The night went decently (as decent as you can get) as Hovind fused political statements in with a "scientific" message and the 200 or so people in the audience (mostly brought in from area churches and home school groups) cheered him on and yelled "amen". What REALLY REALLY got me was his horrible comment relating to the May 4, 1970 Kent State shootings during the anti-Vietnam war rally. Hovind stated (regarding the fact that there is evolution in KSU's textbooks) that: "There needs to be another rebellion at Kent State. This time for the right reasons." Wow. I didn't think he was low enough to use the lives of four Kent State students to promote his ideology. Thanks again for your site.
I personally am beginning to think this man is more than "just crazy". It borders evil.
By the way: Hovind complained that no KSU professors were willing to debate him. I understand why now.
-Joshua, Kent State University
To the Editor, Albuquerque Journal,
Thank you for your editorial "Creating Censorship" in which you chastise KNME Public Television for not airing the documentary "Unlocking The Mysteries of Life" because it challenges the theory of evolution with the theory of "Intelligent Design".
We of The Flat Earth Society have suffered similar prejudice and exclusion from public television and school curricula because our theory of a flat earth challenges the popular though misguided theory that the Earth is round.
We agree with the Journal that, "Consumers are best served when given a full range of viewpoints and allowed to decide for themselves what is fact and fiction", and trust that you will support us in our efforts to disseminate our theory of a flat Earth.
Honorary Member Flat Earth Society
Subject: Comments on KNME Censorship
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:21:41 -0700
From: "Pxxxx, Michael" <mepatriATsandia.gov> (Sandia Nat'l Labs)
Let's face it: if the showing of "Unlocking the Mysteries of Life" on KNME were not a serious threat to evolutionary theory, there wouldn't be websites like yours bashing the show's funders and supporting KNME's decision to pull the program. If KNME were to be realistic, and was not censoring the show, they would have given equal time, like they do to evolutionary theory and the myriad or programs supporting it that are shown on KNME all the time. If they (KNME) were so worried about looking like they were supporting a Christian agenda, they could have simply placed a disclaimer at the beginning of the program, stating that they didn't necessarily agree with the show's premise.
Nope, it's censorship. If Darwin's theory can't stand up to criticism, then it's not worth taking seriously. The truth should be able to stand on its own. The problem is, evolutionary theory is not the truth, and it can't stand up to pressure, the kind of pressure ID brings to the table. Since that's the case, I guess it's better to not present alternative ideas to the public.
I disagree. The people pushing for the show to be on KNME are doing so to latch onto KNME's and PBS's coattails. They want the respect earned by shows like Nova and Nature, but without having first earned that respect from the scientific community.
While the talking head scientists on the "Unlocking" video have complained for years that natural processes can't explain intricately interconnected ("irreducibly complex") systems, scientists have been busily publishing the intricate details of how such structures have actually evolved.
You're from Sandia - check it out yourself.
"Evolution of Coral Pigments Recreated," by Juan A. Ugalde, Belinda S. W. Chang, and Mikhail V. Matz, (Science 2004 305: 1433 (9/3/2004), Copyright 2004 AAAS)
(I've a page about this article here: http://www.nmsr.org/coral_ic.htm )
And, R. E. Lenski, C. Ofria, R. T. Pennock, C. Adami, Nature 423, 139 (2003), "The Evolutionary Origin of Complex Features" http://myxo.css.msu.edu/papers/nature2003/Nature03_Complex.pdf
These two papers alone provide real answers to the questions the "Unlocking" heads are asking.
Please read them!
Sincererly, Dave Thomas
From: "SL Raymond" <email@example.com>
Subject: Letters to NMSR
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 03:39:33 -0600
I'm an admirer of your efforts, and those of any other advocates of science and reason, to combat ignorance and encourage critical thinking.
I just had a look at your "wacky letters" page and I felt compelled to offer some remarks of my own:
Speaking on behalf of Creationists everywhere, I would like to make it very clear that we are not all raving, evangelistic dunderheads. Naturally, the editors of your site are likely to be intelligent enough to understand this already, so I merely write this letter "for the record."
I was raised Christian and have remained so for all of my life, yet I am a regular reader of "The Skeptical Inquirer" and "Skeptic" magazines and I spent many hours enjoying web sites like yours. You could say that my interest in skepticism and the debunking of modern myth comes from a sadistic pleasure from seeing the misconceptions of the ignorant rendered obsolete.
So how, you might ask, does one reconcile his beliefs as a Christian with his respect for science and reason? In my opinion, it's quite simple. Religion, by its very nature, is meant to be believed, not understood. If you could prove the infallibility of the Bible then it wouldn't be difficult to believe in it anymore; and if a religion is easy to believe in, then it isn't much of a religion. Religion represents a road less travelled. Belief is a struggle.
Some attempt to reconcile science and religion. Others (like your nasty letter writers) choose sides. I prefer to think of science and religion as two separate tools for achieving two separate ends. Science makes us more effective people in general, by helping us understand the universe in which we dwell. Religion offers a connection to something bigger and more relevant than that universe - an identification with some "absolute truth." Whether the concept of religion appeals to you or any other individual is not my concern; but take it or leave it, that's how I can be both a skeptic and a Christian.
So anyway, anytime I encounter dialogue from the ongoing Creationism vs. Evolutionism debate on the web, the Creationist side is embarassed by evangelistic ramblings, submitted by folks who show little respect for their worthy intellectual adversaries, and who in many cases instead seem more concerned with passing judgement than dealing with the issues at hand. Does not the Bible say "Judge not, lest ye be judged?"
So in short, I apologize for those of my Christian brethren who would make us all appear as Bible-thumping buffoons. I hold to my beliefs while always questioning them. I am of the opinion that if a belief is retained even after being challenged, then it becomes more relevant to the believer. Like the lover whose jealousy threatens the relationship, a Christian who cannot feel secure enough in his beliefs to entertain decidedy non-Biblical ideas without feeling spiritually threatened is a Christian with a weak, unhealthy mind. Why, even the leadership of the Catholic church is always reexamining the Bible to consider whether certain doctrines need revision. That's what theology is all about. Theology may be called the "science OF religion," because it seeks to answer spiritual questions, then continually revise the answers.
I'm running a bit long, so I'll wrap this up since I seem to have said all I needed. I could have written this letter to any web site featuring wacky evangelistic letters from Creationists, but yours happened to be up at the moment during which I finally decided to take action. Once again, don't let those fools sway your opinion of Christianity as a whole.
Thanks for your time,
S L Raymond
Subject: your website
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 03:32:12 +0000
Just a few questions.....
Do you attempt to refute claims made against evolution by anyone other than Wells? There are plenty more creationists out there, Hank Hannegraff for instance, who use quotes by pro-evolutionists NOT taken out of context to show the holes in this THEORY (I'm not convinced Wells did take the quotes he used out of context anyway.....).
Do you not see that evolution presented as fact is really nothing more than a claim to have interpreted the evidence correctly, and that there is irrefutable evidence against it? (ie do we have any instances where something has come from nothing??? Why can someone like me, who has very little background in science still see the obvious truth of this point??) By the way, the burden of proof is on you, not us. It's your THEORY.
PS Creationism isn't dogmatic, it just doesn't have a reason to change because it's true. Theories of evolution change all the time to be made compatible with the evidence. The more they scramble, the more the get lost in the complexity of existence. The Bible and its message have ALWAYS stuck to its guns.
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:28:17 EDT
Subject: SHAME ON YOU......
To: nmsrdaveATswcp.com (Dave Thomas,NMSR)
I ACCIDENTALLY CAME UPON YOUR WEBSITE WHERE YOU WERE TROUNCING UPON KENT HOVIND. IF YOU CAN'T RUN WITH THE BIG DOGS, SIR, DON'T. ATLEAST HE HAS THE GUTS TO DEFEND HIS RELIGION AND HIS BELIEFS. SOME DAY, WHEN YOU DIE (AND YOU WILL) YOU WILL MEET YOUR MAKER, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND! (FINALLY) WHEN YOU STAND IN FRONT OF THE LORD, I BET YOU HE WILL NOT GIVE YOU ONE SINGLE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY "WELL, NO ONE EVER TOLD ME."
YOU HAVE NO WAY TO BACK UP WHAT YOU BELIEVE (EVOLUTION), AND IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR YOU TO POKE FUN AT ANYONE WHO BELIEVES DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU... HAS IT EVER OCCURED TO YOU THAT YOU MAY BE WRONG, OR HOW RIDICULOUS EVOLUTION IS? IF YOU DID HAVE SOMETHING WORTH DEBATING, I DON'T DOUBT FOR A SECOND THAT DR. HOVIND WOULD "DEBATE" YOU. BUT...WHEN YOU HAVE THE TRUTH, AS HE DOES, WHY BOTHER "CIRCUSING" AROUND WITH YOU CLOWNS.
DR. KENT HOVIND IS MAN ENOUGH TO KNOW WHEN IT IS FOOLISH TO DEBATE...AS YOU WOULD KNOW IF YOU KNEW THE BIBLE. THERE'S NO REASON FOR HIM TO WASTE HIS TIME OR YOURS...YOU FOOLISHLY HAVE YOUR MIND MADE UP AND HE'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT. I HOPE THAT YOU LIE AWAKE IN BED EVERY NIGHT WITH KENT HOVIND'S WORDS OF WISDOM AND THE LORD'S WORDS OF CONDEMNATION PLAYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER IN YOUR HEAD.
I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T DIE AND GO TO HELL, BUT IF YOU DO, REMEMBER...SOMEONE HAS TOLD YOU THE TRUTH AND YOU REJECTED IT. BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. DON'T READ INTO IT. DON'T MAKE IT MORE THAN IT IS. BELIEVE AND BE SAVED. BELIEVE AND SPEND ETERNITY IN HEAVEN. BELIEVE AND DON'T SPEND AN ETERNITY IN A LITERAL, BURNING, FIERY FURNACE CALLED HELL--WHERE BY THE WAY, THERE ARE NO WATER BREAKS, NO VACATIONS, NO BREATHS OF FRESH, COOL AIR....AN ETERNITY OF SCORCHING FIRE ON YOUR SKIN. MOST ADULTS THINK THEY ARE TOO SMART. HOW COULD THIS BE? HOW COULD IT BE SO SIMPLE?
THAT'S WHY THE LORD SAID, "SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN TO COME UNTO ME." ADULTS THINK TOO MUCH, THEREFORE, MANY ARE DAMNED TO HELL. HIS GRACE IS BIG. HIS GRACE WAS BIG ENOUGH FOR ME--AND THAT'S HUGE. DON'T GO TO HELL B/C YOU'RE TOO SMART OR B/C YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK DUMB INFRONT OF YOUR EVOLUTION BELIEVING BUDDIES. ALL IT COMES DOWN TO ON YOUR DEATH BED IS...HEAVEN OR HELL? YOU MAKE THE CHOICE.
HAVE A NICE DAY, AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU IN ETERNITY SOME DAY.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 02:51:36 EDT
Subject: Fun Fundy Thinking
At last, a fundamentalist who unashamedly explains the road to salvation in a simple, succinct and unambiguous manner:
...ADULTS THINK TOO MUCH, THEREFORE, MANY ARE DAMNED TO HELL"
Let's follow this logic:
Thinking increases your chance of being damned to hell and decreases your chance of salvation.
Therefore, thinking less decreases your chance of being damned to hell and increases your chance at salvation.
The chance of being damned to hell, then, is directly proportional to your tendency to think.
It follows that the chance of attaining salvation is inversely proportional to your tendency to think.
Therefore, the only persons with a 100% probability of attaining salvation are those with zero tendency to think.
Your tendency to think is proportional to your ability to think (this should be self-evident: the greater your ability to think, the more often you actually will think; the less your ability to think, the less often you actually will think).
The only persons with zero tendency to think are those with zero ability to think.
Therefore, the only persons with a 100% probability of attaining salvation are those who are utterly incapable of thought.
Therefore, to attain salvation one must embrace complete, utter ignorance.
Hey, where do I sign up?
From: "B Mooney" <firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: The C-Files: Kent Hovind
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 02:04:29 -0700
You my friend are a shining example of one of the Sheep in The Man's Pasture, spitting up what ever grass he allows you to eat. Don't be offended, as I too was once such a sheep. I was delighted to read your exchanges with Kent Hovind, as I found your letters to him highly entertaining, filled with ego. Now, I will not delve into the unimaginables depth of this existnace we call life, nor will I try to debate with you my point versus yours (because that merely feeds your type more grass). But I must admit I am currently smiling with amusement over your undying devotion to your beliefs. What I find even more hilarious is your interpretation of the bible code it's self. It is quite obvious you have no "real" knowledge of what language is, what hebrew is, what written word is, or even what you yourself are. Tell me sir, was Plato right where he said, "You'll never meet a human who knows what he is." Do you in fact know what you are? Because I know what you are, and what I am as well. I know what words are, and their power. I could even say things to you that would negate your very existnace, but it seems you have already unknowingly done this to yourself, and are unlikely able to realize how to reverse the process. By the way, did I remember to ask you if you knew what death was? *laughs* People like you are created and destroyed every second. Seeking knowledge and dismissing wisdom. I pity you. I really do. But what I pity more is the people coditioned to regard your research as factual. *laughs* OF COURSE you found that code in those english letters! Of course you published it. Of course you believe in it. I can and do predict every move you will ever make, every word you will ever say, every fact you will ever find. Am I a mind reader? A self proclaimed psychic? Or perhaps the true definitions of the words "mind" and "read" are not known by you, therefore do not and cannot make sense in my sentence. Consider this: The only reason you believe your mind is not being read by me is beuse you were told such a thing was impossible growing up. Also consider that another person told you what the word "mind" and "read" meant, as well as the sounds for the letters M I N D and R E A D. If one single solitary error was made in any of your teaching, then your entire basis of knowledge as an adult is in error.
Do you place trust man's pefection in instruction? Are you a flawless being, incapable of error, even if it be your whole life's work?
Your life, your work, your friends, family, collegues, and most importantly you, have been cursed. You bring it upon your self.
At 02:52 AM 7/7/2003 -0700, B Mooney wrote:
(after more surfing)
Wow, you just don't give up do you? And you actually believe you are right! Your words limit yourself over and over and over again, more often than not taking on a condesceding tone, which is more than common in the struggles of an ignorant man to force his beliefs into others in order to validate his percieved reality. Now I am to the point of fascination. Rest assured I will study your site more accutely as you are the perfect "speciman" to me right now (which in a strange way I thank you for, you ignorant little boy you, ;-) heh heh).
Oh, and I've decided to allow a point to point debate or what have you between us if you feel it nessesary to continue your validation of yourself. My words are much more powerful than yours, and I will admit a small part of me would delight in watching you squirm and dance your way out of my statements with whatever means you have created form yourself. I await your response, if you have one.
From: "Pavkovic, Ante" <PavkovicA@xxx.com>
To: <email@example.com (DaveThomas.NMSR)>
Subject: Hovind debate
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:32:29 -0800
I have come across your site while looking for Hovinds. I noticed your challenge. Forgive me if my opinion is that your challenge seems like big brave talk to cover the fact that you won't debate him publicly, so you hide behind the "we refuse to help you promote your circus..." etc. That is not very convincing. I have some of his debate videos, and I think I know why you won't debate him.
And your mockful attitudes and words don't help. Its funny how you evolutionists, have no respect for the people, who in large measure were the inventors of modern science, who founded this nation, who started all the major schools of higher learning in America. You have inherited the fruit of their labors and blessings, and you spit on it and act like they were idiots. I have yet to see any evolutionist as smart or wise as many of the founders of science, or the founders of this nation. No evolutionist has written anything like the Constitution, but many have espoused Marxist tendencies. What have evolutionists given the world?--nothing, except of course, Stalin, Marx, Lenin the USSR, China, and Hitler, the rock n roll culture of acting like the animals they were told they were, to name a few. Thank you.
Your forefathers in Science, in the freedoms you enjoy, in the great nation and blessings you enjoy, were CHRISTIAN AND CREATIONISTS. They believed the Bible was the Word of God. The Lord Jesus Christ was their Saviour and mine. You are ungrateful and disrespectful, why should Kent Hovind grace your magazine?
One day, my dear friend, you will stand before God as surely as you will die. It is inevitable. YOU WILL DIE. And on that Day, you will stand before his Judgement Bar, THE SUPREME COURT OF ALL THE UNIVERSE, and there you will be judged by His Law, His standards, as every word you ever uttered, every act you ever committed, and every thought you ever formulated will be laid bare before His Holy, Omniscient Eyes. Every time you ever took His name in vain, lusted, lied, coveted, hated, mocked, and denied His existence and right to your love and submission shall be broadcast before Him and the Holy angles [sic].
You will be found in contempt of the rightful Governor of the Universe, to whom you owed EVEYTHING, including your every breath. Mercy upon mercy was showered upon you day by day, yet you refused to acknowledge Him, but lived your life to oppose Him and turn men away from His glorious Gospel and Word. Jesus Christ will tell you then, though he be the Saviour of the World, and though He died in your place for all your REBELLION to God, He will tell you that He does not know you, and the only avenue of Mercy you ever had, the gracious pardon that the Father God offered you in the death of His Beloved Son will not avail you then, because you spurned mercy when it was offered you, so you will get JUSTICE INSTEAD. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. His Wrath, on that Day will be revealed, and it will be a terrible day of wrath. Cease striving against your Maker, foolish one, and come to Jesus Christ now. Lay aside all your foolish pride, vanity and rebellion and put your trust in Him to save you. Cry out for Mercy, for He will hear. He has no desire to destroy you, but to abundantly pardon. Humble yourself before Him, for as He said to ancient Israel, so He says to you--PREPARE TO MEET THY GOD.
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:30:41 EST
Subject: Responce to your letters and arguments w/ Dr. Hovind
To: firstname.lastname@example.org (Dave Thomas,NMSR)
I don't agree with your arguments to the slightest! You most likely do not realize you are making argumental fallacies all over the place. Let me list them:
1. Ad Hominem - You sir, are attacking Dr. Hovind's character rather then the argument. No one is going to listen to what you have to say when you go so low as to resort to name calling! If your sarcasm does not stop, then it is only going to make Dr. Hovind's gentle argument stronger.
2. Casual fallacy - You are failing to see the real cause of Dr. Hovind's arguments supporting creation. His challenges are but mere side arguments to the real point. He is only trying to introduce the other side of the argument in a world where evolution is so widely accepted as fact and not theory.
These are just a couple fallacys in your letters and arguments. There are still many holes in evolution that this specific web site does not discuss.
The main point is not how the world was created but by whom. All of this other stuff is just bickering that takes our eyes off of God. The only thing that really matters is that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. If you believe in him you will not die eternally. God loves you even in your unbelief.
A servant of the risen Lord,
My reply to Dan:
Hi Dan. Thanks for your letter! I've never been accused of "casual fallacy" before - I guess that's the opposite of "formal fallacy" (you know, the Fallacy in a Tuxedo).
As for "ad hominem," it was Hovind who initiated that, with his first words to me: get "some evolutionists brave enough to defend their religion against me in a public debate..." (If you can't see the ad hominem, Hovind is calling evolutionists cowards here...)
As for "All of this other stuff is just bickering that takes our eyes off of God.," that "other stuff," dear Dan, is what we call "science." That's what we do at NMSR - New Mexicans for SCIENCE and Reason.
Your letter is about your religion, not science. If you care to discuss science some time, you could write back then.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:42:42 -0700
From: sallag <email@example.com>
To: "Dave Thomas, NMSR" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
You are a fool, Psalms 14 :1 King James Bible, The fool hath said in his heart, There is NO God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good!! You are a fool and all those who doubt the creater, do no GOOD, you are the one who is afraid you are the one who will not debate, you know you cannot prove evolution religion you were not here billions of years ago, and you cannot take nothing and make it something, that is why you attach the billion years, because you know there is know way anyone can ever wittness that, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth Gen 1, Without Faith it is impossible to please him you either believe the Bible by Faith or you reject it, you have rejected it, One day Christ will reject you and you will be thrown in the Lake of Fire Rev 22!!
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:00:57 -0700
From: sallag <email@example.com>
Subject: NMSR Home Page
To: "Dave Thomas, NMSR" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
You are the one who LIES, YOU CAN PROVE NOTHING!
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:12:07 EST
Hi, my names Jenson. I'm 17 and I live in AK. I've been a christian since I was eleven. What I mean by a "christian" is that that is when I beleived in my mind and in my heart that Jesus Christ was a real person that walked on earth. I believed what the bible said. I know that there is no real proof or anything like that that proves that God is real and stuff. So you may ask, "why would you beleive in that if there is no proof?" I did it because there was something I needed. Believing that there was no God, and that after we die we just rot and are "no more" is very very scarry. So I tried the "christian" thing. I gave my life to Jesus. Before I did i was in an up and down life style. I would be happy one day, then the next day i would be upset and sad about something. I would be mad at people and pissed off and then people would get mad at me. It was no fun. But after I did the "Jesus Thing" it all went away. I can't explain the REAL joy that I have now. The first time I came up against a problem after I got Jesus it was different. I realized the problem and then suddenly it was like, "oh well". And I started to laugh, it was so great! I was happy all the time and I have been ever since. The happiness in me makes me wonder sometimes what I would be like now had I not tried the "Jesus Thing". I would probly still be in bad moods and have no friends. That is my story. I hope you read it. I have read some things you have written as well. I felt bad for you after I read them. I can't explain it, this feeling I have inside of me. I wish you could experience what I have. It would be SOOO AWESOME if you would e-mail me back. You said you had a lot of time to do stuff, so maybe you will. You seem like a really cool guy. So e-mail me back sometime.
From: "scott #####"
To: <email@example.com (Dave Thomas, NMSR)>
Subject: the bible
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:01:34 -0600
Mr Thomas if you are so into the bible that you can try to use its words to defend your beliefs I would suggest to you to read Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning GOD created the heaven and earth." So if you feel there is something in Proverbs 19:5 that would prove DR.Dino incorrect then please explain it to me how he is a false witness when every word that he quotes from the bible, is in the bible and is accurate.To be a false witness you must first lie against the words of the bible. Just remember we all have different opinions about the bible, but trying to tear down a man of GOD, is one of the greatest sins anyone can commit.
If you have an opnion, about things in the bible, wright about it without degrading someone, just give your opnion and let others make there own deisions about the subject.
P.S.here is a couple verses for you:
I. For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
II.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD,and the Word was GOD.
GOD Bless you And your family,
Mr.&Mrs Scott #####
Subject: Dr. Kent
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000
You know, sir, I used to think that you people had nothing better to do with your time, than to constantly agitate a man who is so busy, that he cannot possibly take the time to WRITE a debate to someone who (like you and your organization) is so blatantly close-minded. Now I KNOW!! How can you possibly expect him to do such a thing??? Have you seen his schedule? The man is booked for a very long time, but to you, that doesn't matter. Since it is not YOUR ministry, how can you judge how much time he has? I have met the man himself, and have even heard him debate an evolutionist. I think that the one who looks like the fool and fraud is YOU! Take up your arguments with someone else who has more time. I'm sure thatthe hateful things you said to Dr. Hovind really don't matter to him. Why would you even expect him to "debate" you, after what you've said? Skeptics often use anger to stir up the other side, because that's all they have! Do your RESEARCH THOROUGHLY, and I'll bet you wouldn't be able to even come up with a suitable argument that would be worth Dr. Hovind's time. Grow up!
A born-again Christian for Dr. Hovind & Creation Science.
16 Aug 2000
Subject: creationist chicanery ??
Dear Mr. Thomas
I've been reading the online debate on your website and I decided to give a quick look at the creationist home page and found that they claim that they were declared the winner of the first debate (!). They don't give any details on who the judges were and I didn't see anything about judging on your site, so I was wondering, what gives ? Is this just low-class propaganda ? Here's the page I found it on. The claim is a pg or 2 down.
On another note, I like your website, keep up the good work !
Garry XXXX, Ph.D
Scientist, Biology I
18 Sep 2000
Subject: Re: Kent Hovind
I was just checking out your web site and I thought it was pretty cool. I don't know much about Kent Hovind, but from what I read on your web site he didn't seem too bad of a guy. In fact, you seemed real immature in your e-mail exchange with him. He challenged three or four of your guys at once and you refused! You are saying he refused to debate with you but why would he want to write articles every month to you when he could publicly debate with you at once and get it over with? Maybe you underestimate his schedule. He seemed very confident in his e-mails to you, and remember, his challenge always remains open. Why don't you accept it? If he's as off as you say he is on your web site, I don't understand why you wouldn't jump at the chance to debate him. I hope all the people that view your site are not influenced by your biased worldview which is attacked by creationists.
9 Oct 2000
To: Denise Tilton
Subject: Re: Dinosaur and man photos
Greetings in the Lord Jesus Christ!
My name is John XXXX. I have been a missionary here in Zacatecas (Central Old Mexico) for 16 years. For the last 3 years I have been giving creation science talks in the USA, Mexico, Cuba and now Venezuela and Paraguay. I would like very much to have copies of your photos. I have a web site at : http://www.creacionistas.com . It is in Spanish, but my picture is there. You will notice that I also promote Dr. Kent Hovind's offer of $250,000.
I don't know what other information I could give you to verify myself. I am a graduate in B.S. Chemistry, University of Wisconsin, Madison, 1968. Kent Hovind knows me as once I stopped at his home in Pensacola in about 1997 with my blue Ford school bus converted into a motor home, with my wife and 4 children. He gave me a copy of His video series.
Thanks for sharing this info.
John XXXX, Mexico
God bless you to know and do His will joyfully all of the time!
Subject: False, inaccurate information on your site
From: Michael Horn, firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: 2/15/2014 8:25 AM
I noticed that you still had old, false, unsubstantiated and…disproven information on your site about the Billy Meier UFO case.
This isn't uncommon on sites run by people who are skeptics - as opposed to scientists.
Here are four very recent analyses on the controversial WCUFO and Meier's first UFO film from 1975:
Can You…SEE what You’re Looking At?
Can You…SEE what You're Looking At? (Part 2)
Can You…SEE what You’re Looking At? (Part 3)
Of course the right, decent, ethical thing to do is to post the the above information. You can certainly try to credibly refute it but we know where that would go.
And hopefully you've got more courage and credibility than poor Prof. B, who petered out when it came time to man up.
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
I was the caller after the show today. I heard a prejudiced man with either low information or only willing to give anecdotal evidence (not proof for sure) of his assertions.
I happen to believe Roswell was real and pieces of the material scattered all over analysed a few years ago shows it still is a mystery to mechanical and physics departments in the US. I also believe Colonel Korso
Lights on PHoenix observed by many and filmed + analyzed by MUFON are NOT flares (1 witness says they are? anecdotal evidence with 1 person disagreeing w 100s of others)
There was a VERY convincing UFO Observed by kids who followed it to the E mountains before being picked up by the military that quickly showed up onsite. Denver airport was recently blocked fopr a while w a massive UFO standing still over it (2009?)
Iranian pilot testimony (recently on coast to coast 2010 may be) about a flight in the 60s when he was followed by a UFO for a long time and told to be silent He still stands by his precise version.
Last year, many nights, lights were observed (photos + Videos + police and others testifying) in Florida (never looked it up but was mentioned on C2C again which can indeed be areliable source of info)> They would remain stationary and at least one night made alight show with alternating colors they disappeared swiftly One year (don't know when) There were massive observations over Chili with aircrafts sent to chase UFOs; whithout any luck since they would escape at VERY high speed. MANY MANY pilots testified since and it is known as one of the best recent observation with many spacecrafts over a few days as I recall (MUFON I THINK said so).
Remember the "sealing" of US nuclear ballistic missile silos with concrete that night when flying objects were seen in the sky in this area (Washington was notified) this was during the cold war and I challenge U to explain that one if u can.
In fact, since U are an expert (that is what U sound like since U never say "I rely on hearsay", You must know by heart the ex above. I barely know abot this and this is plenty to be convinced.
Have u even heard of the star child skeleton and the latests findings of on gentic differences between his and human DNA? I cannot remember the numbers given on the show but this is your domain of expertise so, U should know how many genes separate us from a n ape and how many from a vinegar fly (drosophile). Well there are MANY more (50 times?) more variations between human genome and that of the star child ... Where did he come from?
OH and I forgot the flight over Washington (50s?) and the officail explanation: white cranes w light reflection on them WHO are we kidding besides you?
Have U looked at Dr R Greer who removed implants from abductees? If not you should after all he came to this from nowhere (no prejudice) and implants were analyzed... they repair themselves when cut are made of unknown material. Sometimes they move in order to avoid removal (Whitley Strieberg's ear)!
How about observations of flying objects with powerful (military) night goggles? It has been reported many times by non-believers over the last few years: they see objects within 15 minutes and can observe a;lot! YOUR study (personal ) of this phenomena?
Ever looked at Nasa videos posted on the net? Nasa claims it's dust but judge for yourself; see some "star wars" fights in space they are on NASA shot videos from the shuttle...
SO now on homeopathy, studoies are published in appropriate journals and just like JAMA won't accept nutrition studies it won't accept Homeo studies even conducted dble blind and on animals. I Have e-mailed U on the subject.
I cannot find an old issue of Biological therapy (I think) published in Germany whic had astudy of NMR of water with a homeopathic ingredient like Sodium Chloride at variuos dilutions well beyond Avogadro's number... Peaks varied in height (bizarre) with lower peaks at dilutions known empirically to have no therapeutic effect based on 100 year of use.
When u can take a "blue baby" and make him go back to normal color w a cple drops of Homeopathic traumeel (Heel remedy) while waiting for the surgery you know it works (anecdotal I know but impressive testimonial from a doctor on his own son aged only a few hours at alecture)
WHY In heaven would thousands of physician all over the world study homeopathy and quit using what they learned for 7 years to truly help patient without causing harm (Do i have to tell u how many people are HURT by conventional medicine? well it's MORE than are helped -- see cancer for example and killing patients with chemotherapy: oncologists know better when it comes to family and themselves: they never use it (based on interviews)
You might want to read LIfe extension Magazine (Biased yes but full of info on how the FDA 's criminal war on heathy remedies and promotion of lethal ones.
I type at snail pace and spent 1 hour here...
Talk about physics not about what U know nothing about in a blatant unscientific way, unless u are a disinformation agent which i tend to believe at this point.
BTW: The Us govt and others are spaying via Chem trai;ls indeed: How otherwise do u explain the levels of Barium and Al measured in Ca (For ex) over 1000 times base levels,
Over more than 10 yeras since Tomas (Canadian journalist wrote on Chen trails) samoles were taking in the air and confirmed Ba and Al and Ag were used as well as higher hospital inake of patients on days of heavy spraying years ago.Here they are VERY easy to distinguish fro comtrails as water quickly evaporated in our dry skies while chemtrails spread and spread and spread... This is on planes flying at the same time: I saw this so many times! Let's not talk about serious speculation s on the US creating the earthquakes in Haiti (quite likely) and Japan of course (see strange clouds photographed in both cases and associated w HARP! online).
Good luck with propaganda and read the book on UFOs observed and chased by the Royal Airforce (Based on data recently declassified by GB) for references predating modern tech which nowadays could be ours.
Subject: From AL; RE: Rosewell
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:26:35 -0500
Hi Dave Thomas,
I can get into many things with you, but at least, answer this one thing, WHY was area 51 and now the other huge place the government has, in some other state I forget the one right now which was show on history channel or tru tv, about two months ago, where they have large trucks going in and out all times of the day and night, and top secret as to what they are really doing.......WHY the secrecy.
In this new place there was some kind of huge super sonic speed aircraft that actually flew by legitimate witnesses (the police chiefs or an officer of that states town) and disappeared in an instant as it was being pursued by two of our fastest aircraft that in no way could keep up in speed?
When you can give me an honest and legitimate answer I'll then start to give some credence to things you have to say! Till then, forget about it!!!!!! Do you have the balls to answer me with the truth?????????
Sorry about the couple of the typos in my previous Email.
By the way, have you ever heard of government cover ups.
Just a couple of examples:
The Rockefellers! Tell me who really assassinated Lincoln, Kennedy, King and Lennon!!!!!!!!????? Maybe just some lunnie psychos?
I'm sure you heard of the MK Ultra program and Tavistock Institute.
If you have such certain knowledge that Aliens are just are farce, and there is no other intelligence somewhere else in this or other universes, then I'm sure you heard of Mk Ultra and Tavistock!
24 Aug 2000
Subject: thank you
Dear Mr. Thomas,
Thanks so much for your Webpage about Aztec, NM. You saved me from making a gigantic boneheaded error--in cold hard print. I've been researching a book about a German aviatrix who moved to the United States in the late Thirties and married a man named...Silas M. Newton. I took at face value a newspaper article from the period stating that Newton was a Denver oilman and the president of the Oriental Refining Company, and have been trying to track him down through all of the usual business sources--Who's Who, books on the history of mining in Colorado--all to no avail. But as it turns out, he was really a notorious conman?! I assume he must have conned my poor hapless aviatrix, too. What a fantastic story this is turning out to be. You have made my book!
Do you have any additional information about Silas M. Newton that is not on your Website or in the publications you cite there? If so, would you be willing to let me have a peek at it? I'll be happy to reimburse you for photocopying and postage.
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